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More unformed thoughts on those rough times (3 1/2-year-olds)

So I've been thinking a lot about this 3 1/2-year-old thing. And how it really seems to me like all the "difficult" stages seem to be at times that double: 4 months, 9 months, 18 months, 3 1/2 years, 7 years, 14 years. I don't know if that means anything, except that if you're 28 maybe you're having a tough time, too. And 56 might also be rough...

Anyway, it seems like the difficulties start out more weighted toward the physical but become progressively more emotional as the people get older. So that first rough stage at 4 months is mostly about being fussy and not being able to sleep. Then at 9 months it's not sleeping but more generalized crankiness. 1 months seems to be a tie between physical and emotional distress, and then by 3 1/2 it really seems to be mostly emotional (even if all of this is caused by some physical process of development in the brain).

It feels to me, from being on the outside of it, that the developmental spurt that's happening somehow seems to remove the protective emotional layers somehow, so that all the person's emotions are right there, waiting to bubble over at any second. The person on the inside can't process or deal with or control them. Which is why they get stuck in a "Pick me up!! Put me down!!" loop. It's like they have an exposed nerve, and any time anything brushes against it they just go off from the overload.

I've noticed that when I'm feeling emotionally fried, my child being in one of these emotional wack-out times just sets me off, too. But when I'm on an even keel, my response just instinctively seems to be more one of "Oh you poor sweet little thing. Let me give you a hug."

Does this resonate with anyone? About any of the stages? About yourself? Or do you think there's something different or more going on?

For those of you who have or are having or considering second children

So a few more questions came in over the last week or so about second children. A couple of them from people who were either newly pregnant with the second or about to give birth, and were wondering if they were setting themselves up for disaster. The real concern for both those writers seemed to be the overwhelming sense of guilt at breaking up the little party the first child had, combined with the worry that they'd never be able to love the second child the way they loved the first.

I don't know that I have so much to offer here. I definitely felt both those feelings when I was having my second son. And I think it's a mistake to resort to the old "a sibling is the best gift you can give" line to comfort yourself, even if you do believe it. (I do for myself, because my relationship with my brother is the most important relationship I've had, aside from the one with my children.) Because even as wonderful as it is to have a sibling, there is loss for the older child. If nothing else, there's loss of having all the focus (which, again, could also be a good thing), but there's loss of the immediacy and the cocoon.

Does the good outweigh the bad? For my kids, yes. But it's important to acknowledge for yourself that it's not all happiness all the time. Allow yourself to feel a little sad about it, even as you look forward to the baby.

Can I ask a favor? If there's anyone who truly doesn't love their second (or later) child as much as the first, could you comment on it anonymously? I've never heard of it happening, but of course it's something you could never say in public. So if there is someone, please put it here anonymously, and we'll see if it's a realistic fear, or if loving the second one as much as the first is just something you can't imagine until you're there.

The other questions I got were from a very new mom-of-two and one about to pop any second now, who were really terrified of what was going to happen when their help (spouses and family) were gone and they had to be alone with the two kids. The spacing was right around 2 years for both of these moms, and the primary concern was how to keep the older one calm and happy while they got the baby to sleep. And yeah, that's a concern, because a 2-year-old's needs are very immediate, as are an infant's, so it could turn into a donnybrook easily.

Mine were 3 years apart, so my older one watched a lot of Bob the Builder DVDs while I was getting the little one down to sleep in those early days. For those of you with kids spaced closer than 2 1/2 years apart, how did you keep the older one chill while you were getting the little one to sleep? Any and all suggestions welcome.

Q&A: Playground "rules" from other parents

Molly writes:

"What's the right way to handle playground "rules" set by other people?  Sometimes when we're at the playground some other parent will say to their kid "no swinging on your stomach" or "no going down the slide backwards" or "no shouting" or "no jumping in puddles" or some other perplexing rule that I never thought of, and then their kids (no dummies) say "But he's doing it!"--meaning mine.

I totally, totally get how this makes their life difficult but 1) I don't get the rule itself, I never thought of it, and I don't see why it matters and 2) I don't really want to mess with my kid's head by saying, Oh OK, this random adult made a new rule, let's follow it.  (I'm not letting him throw dirt or woodchips, I'm not letting him mow down other kids, I'm not letting him hog all the pails & spades or anything that would CLEARLY be rude/dangerous, at least to me. )

What's the social contract say on this?  I missed that chapter.  Can we have separate playgrounds for the intense parents and us lazy parents?"

You know, I think one of the big challenges of parenting is establishing your own policies and sticking to them in the midst of social pressure from other parents (and society at large). Parents of older kids can probably confirm that this gets more and more difficult as the kids get older. Violent video games, violent movies, Bratz, hoochie clothes for tweener girls--it seems like there are a lot of things that we're going to have to work hard to maintain a stance against.

So think of this time of dealing with other people's rules on the playground as little baby steps of preparation for telling your child that, no, she can't go to Cancun alone with her friends for spring break because they're only 14.

The parents I know have always operated under the assumption that you can make whatever rules you want for your own kids, but you can't make rules for other people's kids (assuming the other kids aren't hurting yours), and that enforcing your rules is your own business. Add you can't resent other people for having their own rules.

So that means that you have a perfect right to bring grapes as a snack for your kids, but you can't get angry at another mom for bringing Oreos. You can let your kid run around with shoes off at the playground, and even if I think it's stupid of you, I can't resent you for doing it, even if it causes me extra trouble to keep my kids in their shoes*. I can casually mention the recent cases of kids who've had their feet burned by the asphalt on the playground, but only to help you out, not to tell you you have to parent the way I do.

And, the other responsibility is being able to explain to your kids that "they do things their way and we do things our way" without saying or implying the words "irresponsible," "lazy," "helicopter," "controlling," or "dumbass."

So, basically, you make the policies for your kids, and other people make the ones for theirs, and you don't have to go by theirs and they don't have to go by yours. The stuff you're dealing with now at the playground is small potatoes compared to the stuff that'll come up later, so use this time as practice for helping your kids separate your family from what "everyone else" is doing and making that process explicit. That way later on they'll be less tempted to jump off the bridge when their friends are.

* A tip for that is to get water shoes and call them the "special playground shoes" and hype them as a cool thing they get to wear instead of that they have to wear. This won't work forever, but it will buy you a summer or three.

Q&A: special needs child

Katie writes:

"I have a 3-year-old son with autism and figure at least some of your readers have experience with special needs. My boy was diagnosed as having moderate autism just before he turned 2, and I am so proud of how far he has come. (I could write a whole separate e-mail about all of the therapies and interventions he has endured.) He is very verbal now and, though he is in a special preschool class, I believe he will be mainstreamed into a regular classroom by elementary school and be almost indistinguishable from his typical peers.

My dilemma is whether I should ever tell him about his autism. He hears me speak of it often now; I have no qualms about telling someone he is on the spectrum, partly because it explains some of his behaviors that new friends may find odd, and partly because I am so proud of all the progress he has made. But he is getting closer to the age when he will really pick up on what I'm saying when I speak to others about him.

I don't want to completely ignore it or act as if it never happened or make it into this big secretive talk--"Son, let's sit down for an important talk about something terrible about you." It is a part of who he is, a part of his past and present. I guess what I'm looking for is wisdom from others who may have gone through this before. Do I stop mentioning it so much? Do I wait for him to ask me something down the road? Do I phase out the word "autism" as his symptoms show up less and less?"

Hmm. On the one hand, I feel like he's going to know there's something different about him. On the other hand, you don't want him to grow up thinking there's something less about him. So how do you balance the two--acknowledging that he's got some things that are different about him but also letting him know that he's great the way he is?

I wrote that first parapgrah three weeks ago, and have been sitting on this post ever since, trying to figure out what to write. The fact is, I don't know what it's like to have a special needs child. It would be disingenuous of me to talk about it, I think, because I've never had the experience of parenting a child who isn't always going to be received easily by the world. (I definitely think I have a special responsibility in raising two white men in America, but that's a different post.)

I'd love to hear from moms and dads of kids who don't fit neatly into the boxes that we expect kids to fit into. Not just kids who have autism, but kids who have any other kind of developmental issue, kids who have chronic illnesses, kids who look different.

How do you manage their "issues" (treatments, therapies, medical inteventions, etc.) while still loving and respecting them as people? How do you straddle the line between living your experience as the parent of a special needs child and honoring their experience as a special needs person? What if the "special need" is something that isn't recognized by the larger world (like being a highly sensitive or spirited person)?

Please talk about it. If you want to link to other supportive areas of the internet, please do. (If you type in the http:// before the www part of the address it'll automatically hyperlink so people can just click through your comment.)

Q&A: Chopped liver?

Meggimoo writes:

"My 2-1/2 year-old son adores my husband. I'm happy about that. I'm ok with taking the back seat since the 1st year of his life he only wanted me (and my breasts). But for the past 6 months, and with no end in sight, it's not just that he prefers my husband. He actively does not want me to have anything to do with him if my DH is within 500 feet. I can't put him to bed, I can't sing him songs at night, I can't change his clothes, ad infinitum. Of course, I still do these things when necessary, but they're met with the utmost protest. If my DH is not around, my DS will grudgingly allow me to be in his presence

I'm trying to be mature about this (ahem) and not feel hurt. That works most of the time. But sometimes I just wonder when/if this stage will end. Is this it? Am I just not going to be a preferred member of his posse forever more? I had always heard that boys adored their mothers. Has anyone out there gone through this and come out the other end? Did their sons (or daughters) begin to gravitate toward them again? I guess I'm just thrown by the suddenness of how this all occured. I feel like the new wife my DH just married, trying to win over his toddler. But, hello! I pushed you out with no drugs, dammit. (Hmm, I'm beginning to sound like MY mother.)

<sigh> 

So you know it's normal, but it still hurts. I remember it vividly, and it hurt me, too. Heck, it still hurts now when they see their dad and run off to him and leave me hanging. (Of course that may also have something to do with the inherent weirdness of our co-parenting in a completely different--and probably healthier--way than we did while we were still together.)

And it really feels like you spent so much of your life giving and giving and giving and now he doesn't want anything to do with you. It would be one thing if he was ready to go out of the nest completely, but the switching alliances to his dad while you're still there just stings.

Two thoughts (and then I'm leaving for the airport):

1. I think it's a biological thing. At this age, many mothers are having another child, so it makes total sense for the child to be programmed to prefer the dad at this point, so the mother can focus on the new baby. Even though there's no new baby, his developmental stuff is still going on as programmed. Maybe you could get a cat, or take up a new hobby to keep yourself busy until he comes out of this phase.

2. It does change. At some point in the future he'll want you again, and may even tell your husband, "No, I want Mom!" and refuse to let anyone else touch him.

I don't want to miss my flight, so I'll turn this over to the readers. Anyone else feels just hurt and insulted by this phase? When did it end?

Q&A: stuttering in toddlers/preschoolers

A few weeks ago, my youngest one (he turned 3 in May) started stuttering. At first it was cute, but now it's getting a little bit annoying because he gets so annoyed by it. I'm not worried about it, because it seems clear to me that it's part of the disequilibrium phase Ames & Ilg talk about in their 2-year-old and 3-year-old books. It came out of nowhere, and is happening simultaneously with a huge growth spurt (I think he's grown 2 inches in the past two weeks) and a bunch of new skills and a cranky, brittle stage.

Once again, it appears I'm not the only one. Kathy writes:

"My almost 2 ½ year old son has been a really good talker for the last 4 months or so.  Vocabulary was going well and he was easy to understand.  Then he started stuttering a week and a half ago.  He’d just gone through a growth spurt and then began sleeping 5 hours straight and even through the night on occasion (something new for us, and I have no idea if it is related to the stuttering).  Then about a week later the stuttering started.  At first it was him repeating the word “you” at the beginning of the sentence.  Then it was a few more words at the start of sentences.  Now it’s all through his speech.  We corrected the first couple of days, then found out not to do that, just be patient and talk slowly yourself.  The doctor didn’t seem concerned at this point, and said if he is still having trouble at three, then they will review it then.

Is it really that normal?  He gets so frustrated, and even will hold his chin like he’s trying to stop himself from stuttering.  It is really hard to watch.  There are times when he will even break down and say he can’t do it.  I am looking for any tips on what to do and or expect from this."

It's so normal, but so frustrating, isn't it? To reassure you, it is all about the growth spurts and developmental things. He'll be really smooth at some times and then jerky and clumsy at others. The stuttering is part of that.

I wish I knew what to do to help him. My guy's old enough that he can still make himself understood past the stuttering, but with such a new talker it's a different ballgame. Does anyone have any tips for Kathy to help her and her son get past this phase? I've just been ignoring it, but it also isn't as cumbersome for my not-so-little guy.

Q&A: toddler afraid of baths

Here's a classic from Donna that never loses its frustration factor:

My son used to love taking baths, and he loves being in the water in the summertime. But a few months ago, he started not enjoying the bath experience and wouldn't sit in the bath anymore. For months, I've had to wash him while he's standing in the tub. Sometimes he lets me get in with him and he'll sit on my lap, but that's not always possible and seems to be more and more inappropriate as he gets older (he's 2 years+ 4 months old). He seemed okay with the standing-up baths for a while and even played with all of his bath toys, but now he doesn't even like to get in the water at all, even with toys. I've changed the temperature of the water, thinking it was too hot for his little bottom, but that didn't help. For a while, he was okay if I let him put the soap on his hands and let him put it on himself , but now that's not even working. My husband has tried, too, but no luck. I now just give him a quick wash every few days, and shampoo his hair maybe twice a week, but he's crying the whole time. We've reduced the number of baths he gets a week so it won't stress us all out so much,  but nothing seems to help. I've exhausted all of my ideas. Any suggestions would be helpful."

Classic wisdom is that at a certain age kids get afraid of being sucked down the drain. I think sometimes thats it, but not always. We went through this same stage in which a 2 1/2-year-old wouldn't sit down in the tub. I just didn't think much about it, since Ï was too busy trying to get him to let me wash his hair, and trying to keep the two boys from splashing all the water out of the tub.

But now that I think of it, yeah, this stage was a big pain in the butt. And it was the first time around with my older son, too. I don't think I ever came up with any solution for it. I tried a bunch of different things, from cajoling, to playing games, to just muscling through the bath and hair-washing while he screamed. I think what fixed it, though, was that he grew out of it. And his younger brother is now sitting back down, and can be talked into letting me wash his hair, too (he'll be 3 in May).

So is this a universal, that they go through a phase of not liking baths, even if they'll play endlessly with other water? If your kid went through an anti-bath phase, when was it and when did s/he grow out of it? How did you cope during it?

Guest post on Timeouts

Some of you may have noticed occasional comments from Sharon Silver, the Mommy Mentor. Sharon runs a parenting consultancy called ProActive Parenting that deals specifically with discipline of toddlers and preschoolers. Did your ears prick up yet? Mine did, because the toddler age is notoriously hard to discipline. Haim Ginott stuff works fabulously on 4-year-olds, 8-year-olds, 15-year-olds, 20-year-olds and your co-workers, but there isn't much in it that's concrete enough for a 16-month-old. The gap between baby and big kid is long, and I haven't found a lot of discipline techniques that aren't either punitive and focusing on control, or comforting but laissez faire.

So when I saw that Sharon concentrates specifically on that age group, I definitely wanted to look more at what she's doing. Her philosophy is that discipline is always better than punishment, and that parents need to be teaching their kids skills for living. She says, "Discipline expresses a parent's boundaries with the emotional volume turned down." She's been working on this age since her own boys (now adults) were that age, and has come up with some solid techniques.

She offered to write something for Ask Moxie, so I tossed her a reader question about timeouts. The question is from Rosemary:

"I’ve got a 20 month old boy who is telling me he’s “Big Boy Mummy, look!” as he trundles his way through life.  He is in child-care 5 days a week and he loves going there (literally runs out of the door in the morning) My husband and I having been having a long (like 6 month long) conversation on behaviour, discipline, limit setting, exploring etc and the techniques or policies that we want to use.  No brainer – smacking is out for us.  So, that leaves time out as the next most popular strategy but we have one problem.  It just feels so darn wrong to both of us.  We know enough as parents to trust our instincts, and normally that has worked for us. But, I’m starting to doubt my judgement on this as many people whose parenting styles I admire swear by time out.   I’m not sure it is the best fit for my son.  He feels things so deeply and he is attached to us like duct tape (which is just how I like it) and I know how scared he gets when he thinks he has lost us.  He is quite happy to roam around and explore as long as he knows where we (or his child carers) are.

Taking some quiet time to calm down, I understand.  But why does it have to be removed from everyone, sitting on the bottom step or in another room and staying for a certain number of minutes.  What is time-out supposed to be achieving?  No one has given me an explanation I can really understand yet.  All the explanations I’ve heard still seem to come back to one thing:  I’m more powerful than you, and I’m going to exercise that power to banish you from my presence. I understand that he needs us to be in charge and that I actually do have power  and need to exercise it in his own interests sometimes (and we actually run a tight ship around here).  And I guess, deep in my heart of hearts, I feel like taking him to another room and dumping him for some time until he’s got himself under control just feels like plain abandonment.  I can remember times as an adult when I’ve been out of control, and if my friend or husband had just walked away from me, I don’t think it would have helped me calm down much at all.

And here’s the big kicker.  What do I use if I don’t use time out?  We’ve had lots of success with him so far, just by really listening to him, actually teaching him to do things, using lots of modelling of positive behaviour, acknowledgement of his effort and when he manages to control himself, and trying to remove the big sources of frustration and power struggles.  We try and focus on the big things and let the small ones go through to the keeper.  But will that work as he gets older?

Here's Sharon's answer:

Your post raises some really important questions about timeout, and that’s great, even if other moms don’t like that you raised the issue. Your parental intuition told you that timeout wouldn’t work well for your child. Listening to your intuition is always a good thing, even if the only result is a deeper investigation into the topic. My post also includes a response to spanking as a form of discipline. You said you don’t spank, however there are others who do.

As a society we’ve learned a great deal about preschool behavior since the days when we were being raised.

We’ve learned that parents really are a child’s first teacher. We’ve learned, that just like adults, the way you speak to a child determines whether he fights with you or listens to you. We’ve learned that a child’s foundation, the core of who he is, is being built during early childhood. A child learns whether or not her emotions are accepted or punished. She learns whether self-control is managed for her, by spanking or consistent punishment or she learns, by how her parent deals with defiance, that ultimately, she needs to control herself.

Based on all that knowledge, plus the love parents have for their child, I wonder why anyone would spank in this day and age?

As your child’s first teacher what lesson do you hope to send your child when you spank, even if done lightly? Unfortunately by the time your child becomes a preschooler he will have learned that the way to get what you want from another person is to hit them. Is that what you intended to teach?

Timeout for little people has some issues as well, let me explain.

After 17 years of teaching parenting and 29 years of raising kids, in my opinion, timeout for preschoolers, no matter how long they sit, just doesn’t work well for little people and here’s why.

Timeout was designed as a time…out for both parent and child to take a short break so they can get calmer and then come back together to resolve the situation.

That’s not the way timeout is being used today. These days timeout is being used as the “acceptable” way we punish our children, and there’s a big difference between the two.

Parents usually begin using timeout around 18-20 months because normal developmental defiance has begun to appear. Every parent I’ve ever worked with started out with the best intentions for using timeout. The parent starts out being calm, gets down to eye level, says the right words, and is as loving as possible on the way to timeout. Then as the child approaches two or three the way a parent uses timeout begins to change.

The parent’s best intentions then squarely meet the child’s developmental stage and temperament and a collision happens that goes something like this.

The child refuses to listen or cooperate; he wants what he wants. Now’s the time to teach the child about his behavior, but the screaming the child does causes the parent’s brain to become confused. The confusion from the crying, screaming or constant demanding stops the parent’s ability to think clearly about what to do next. Not being able to decide what to do next makes the parent frustrated or angry, and can cause yelling to begin. The parent is unconsciously hoping that the yelling will be the magic key that when inserted into timeout will end this, sooner rather than later, so this can be done.

Unfortunately the yelling upsets the preschooler, possibly to the point of hysteria. I don’t know too many adults that enjoy being screamed at when they’re upset either! The crying causes the preschooler to revert back to a younger emotional place, just to survive the yelling.

You know that emotional place; it’s what’s going on when you say to your preschooler “why are you acting like a baby?” or “stop crying, you're acting like a baby!”

In order to survive the yelling, the preschooler shuts herself down and stops listening.

Ladies, you know this one well; we’ve been accusing men of this for years!

Because the child has difficulty processing her crying, your yelling and thinking at the same time, a preschooler is forced to gain more of the information about the situation from your body language and tone of voice than from your words. And since she’s young and still relies on immature reasoning, what has she learned? All that she has learned is when I cry or don’t do as I’m told, I’m sent away from you—to a place called timeout.

No real learning has occurred. The child has no idea what she’s supposed to do instead. The child was never allowed to try again so she could learn how to manage her emotions and resolve it in a better way next time.

Then the behavior happens again and she’s sent to timeout, again. Her behavior is stopped, for the moment, but she still hasn’t learned how to manage this so it doesn’t happen again, and this goes on day in and day out.

When you see it broken down this way you understand how young a preschooler really is, and you begin to wonder, does timeout work well for preschoolers, is there a better way?

The answer lies in this statement; sometimes the best way to get a child to do something is to speak their language.

I believe that preschoolers need corrections to be made at the preschool level. Don’t forget, your preschooler has only been on the planet for a few years. Even though he’s walking, talking, potty trained and maybe in preschool, he isn’t as old as he looks, especially when it comes to discipline and the ability to change behavior.

Why do I say this, because adults have the ability to use reason and logical thinking; preschoolers haven’t even developed the ability to use logic, and that doesn’t begin until around age 7.

Does that mean you can’t use timeout? No it doesn’t mean that at all. It just means that a better way to use timeout would be to match the concept with a preschooler’s developmental needs.

Just like our computers, I believe that it’s time for “timeout” to get an upgrade!

Here are three things I think need to be included in preschool timeouts.

1. The teaching a parent does needs to be done at the preschool level. An emotional child learns best when information is scaled down to just a few words and the words are something the child can understand even through the tears, words like sit down, no hitting, or use your words, versus that’s not appropriate.

2. The amount of time a child sits in timeout really can be much shorter than 1 minute per age. Having a child sit in timeout for a shorter period of time takes advantage of what I call “child time”, the true amount of time your preschooler can pay attention and hear you when she’s emotional.

3. The ability to “try again” needs to be included with your discipline.

Saying to a child, “you need to try again and show Mommy how you wait for a cookie instead of grabbing one from sister”, needs to be included so a child can learn what you expect them to do instead of what they did.

Deciding how you’re going to correct your child can seem over whelming at times, especially if you and your husband have different points of view or if you feel forced to use something that just doesn’t feel right.

Reading this gave me a big a-ha moment about the need to give the child the chance to correct his/her behavior. That turns the whole situation into a "do over" instead of a big crying scene that just makes everyone feel like a wounded jerk.

Definitely check out Sharon's site www.ProActiveParenting.net, where she has some great free resources (including a PDF about discipline vs. punishment that contains the insightful idea that discipline gives parents choices about how to handle a situation instead of locking them into one course of action) and some awesome paid downloads on a bunch of different discipline topics. She's also doing two parenting seminars in Phoenix, AZ on April 2 and 3, if anyone in the area is interested.

Now you guys know who she is, so when you see her comments here you'll know she's one of us, just a generation ago!

Comments on timeouts, or the difficulties of dealing with the toddler and preschooler years?

Setting the scene for potty training?

After I posted that my younger son went into underpants on my birthday, I got four emails from people asking how I set the stage for him to be able to make his own decision.

I don't actually know. I really really thought he'd be so different from his brother, who was doing all the potty-training stuff (always went on his own inside the house) but still wore a diaper when we went out. But, go figure, they both ended up doing the same thing, which was telling me at the last second that they weren't going to wear a diaper that day.

I honestly don't think it's anything I did, but rather that they're potty-training anomalies.

Now, if you'd asked me that question 3 years ago, I'd have said that I hopped on my oldest son's interested as soon as he expressed them (getting him a potty when he was 16 months, for instance, and stopping to watch every dog on the street do his business). But my younger son wasn't interested in underpants until I bought them, and, in fact, told me several times that he was going to wear a diaper "fow-evew, mom-mom."

Maybe it was because I took his claims seriously, while still giving him an out. Maybe it was all the talk about "big boys wear underpants."Maybe it was seeing his friend O wearing underpants and peeing in the potty.

At this point I have the luxury of not caring, because he even switched into underpants at night and has been getting up to pee on his own for three nights running.

But I'm betting there are some of you who have systematized ways of setting a relaxed-but-motivating environment for your kids to get out of diapers. I've said it before, but I think it's far easier to push a kid to train when they're closer to two than to three. By the time they turn three, they really dig in their heels. So bear that in mind, that when they're younger they may be less physically ready, but when they're older it's less about technique and more about mind games.

Any comments about creating the right environment for an older kid to decide to make the leap?

Preschool Redux

Wow--the preschool post struck a nerve.

First off, when I say "preschool" I mean a program that's part-day from one to five days a week, and is not meant to cover childcare while parents are working. Daycare is a longer-day program and is meant to care for your child while you're working. People with kids in full-time daycare don't send their kids to preschool, because the kids are probably getting the same stuff at daycare, and also the logistics wouldn't work out.

So to some degree the preschool issue is a problem of a certain socio-economic class, except that things are kind of mixed up in some areas. For instance, in the part of NYC that I live in, you can find a good full-time babysitter in two weeks, but the good daycares have waiting lists of 6 months or more. And if you have more than one child, a full-time babysitter is definitely cheaper than full-time daycare for two. So having a "nanny" doesn't mean you have more money than people with kids in daycare.

And I know women who can't work at all, even if they'd like to, because what they'd get paid wouldn't cover their childcare and commuting costs. If working from home isn't an option (and if you're full-time from home, you still need childcare), sometimes you're too poor to work.

So it's entirely possible that staying home with your child and paying $250 a month for preschool a couple of days a week is the cheaper option, depending on where you live, preschool and childcare options in your area, and what your field pays you.

But on to the "real" question: Lots of people were asking why someone would send their child to preschool, or what preschool can do that playing at home with a parent can't.

I never went to preschool. I know plenty of happy, successful people who didn't go to preschool. So it's clear that a kid doesn't *need* to go to preschool to be happy and well-adjusted. I think we should get that out of the way right now.

But there are lots of reasons that people want to send their kids to preschool, and want to so badly that they struggle through whatever the process is in their area.

  • It's fun for the kids. They love, love, love it. I know there are some preschools out there that are trying to teach kids things in a structured way, but most of the ones I hear about are trying to set up situations in which the play helps teach kids things, and they have fun all the time. (It's only in Kindergarten that they start forcing learning on the kids, thanks to NCLB.)
  • Which means that you aren't having to come up with projects. Or your babysitter doesn't have to come up with projects.
  • They have equipment you don't have. Do you have a water table in your living room? Slides? Extra-jumbo wooden blocks?  An endless supply of fingerpaints? If you do, please email me directions to your house, and we'll be there Saturday morning at 10 am.
  • It's a break for you that your kid thinks is for him or her. (Although if you have younger children, the pick-up/drop-off routine can make any "break" aspect a washout.)
  • It gives you a social structure. If you never had a playgroup when your child was younger, or if your playgroup is drifting apart, it's a chance to meet other parents who have something in common with you. Even if the only thing you have in common is that your kids are in the same class, that's a start. Built-in reason to make playdates, etc.
  • Yada yada social skills yada. People go on about being with other kids (which I don't think is necessary at this age, and in fact would urge everyone to read Gordon Neufeld's Hold On To Your Kids about how we push kids to rely on peers too early) and learning social skills. Whatever. I think a kid who's raised with love and care, even if that child only ever sees one other human being, can pick up the social skills. But it can be great for parents because
  • It helps you see where your kid lies in relation to other kids his age. Which helps reinforce your spidey sense/mama gut/whatever you want to call it. What a relief to know your kid's not the only one! Or, how good to see that maybe you do need to ask about that thing she does.
  • Objective adults who see your child regularly who can help you troubleshoot. The preschool teachers have seen a ton of kids. They know a lot about kids this age. They can talk to you about yours, and help give you tips about how to deal with things that come up. There's a lot of social stuff with kids, especially around age 4, and the teachers can help deal with that.
  • Routines. Kids this age love routines. And you might be very surprised to learn that the child who won't pick up for love or money at home is the best cleaner-upper in the class at school.

Anyone else have anything  I didn't cover? I'm not trying to talk anyone into putting a kid in preschool. I'm just explaining what I see as the benefits. All examples and counterarguments welcome.


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