Why is it so hard to be a Kindergarten parent?

(Just in case you were on vacation last week, my ex-husband and I have started writing a blog about co-parenting after divorce called When The Flames Go Up.)

Today's topic is Kindergarten. Specifically, why it's so hard to be the parent of a Kindergartner.

I know a lot of districts have gone back to school already, so some of you are in your first or second week of Kindergarten. My kids don't go back until September 8, but I notice I'm getting more and more tense as it's time to go back.

I'm wondering what it is that makes Kindergarten so difficult, for them and for us, especially since a lot of our kids have been in preschool or daycare for at least a year before entering K. You'd think it would be the same thing just at a new venue, but so often it's not.

* I think one big factor is that it may be our first big encounter with The System. Daycares and preschools tend to be small, nurturing places. They deal with toddlers and preschoolers and are sensitive to their fears and individual needs. Part of their job is to guide us as parents--if they notice things with our children they let us know and give suggestions to help, and many preschools run regular parent education programs to help deal with common issues.  Kindergarten isn't like that. Your child is one of many (even if you luck out and have small class size), and you're swept away by a system that has little room for individuality. Teachers are under pressure to assess kids and make sure they're hitting an ever-accelerating set of benchmarks, so they don't have the time and freedom preschool teachers do to help kids with emotional issues. The Industrial Revolution brought us cheap automobiles, but it also brought us timetables and testing in Kindergarten.

* Kindergarten may be the complete wrong balance of independence during transitions. Some Kindergartens require parents/caregivers to stay and read with the child for 20 minutes at drop-off, which can be hard on kids who do better just saying goodbye and having a firm separation. Others have a firm goodbye at drop-off, which can be rough on kids who need more transition. It's a crapshoot whether your Kindergarten's goodbye system will match your kid's needs.

* Your child is growing up. A Kindergartner is in elementary school. Not a baby, not a toddler, not a preschooler. Even if you think you're ok with it, it can sneak in and make you really melancholy before you identify it.

* More responsibility. Your child (in the US, at least) probably has homework now, which will add another hour of work to your life every night, at least. Plus lunch (or worrying about school food), clothes, and all the other stuff. Allegedly your child is taking more responsibility for gear, but that actually falls on your shoulders, predictably.

There are probably a ton of other factors, too. What do you think?

If you've already gone through Kindergarten with your child, how did it go? Was it more difficult for you than previous years were? Why do you think that is?

If you're in Kindergarten now or about to go in, how's it going? What are your fears?

If you've taught Kindergarten, what do you observe from that side of the experience?

My Kindergarten mom story:
Those of you who were reading me back three years ago may remember that Kindergarten was extremely hard for my older son. At the beginning I thought it was just part of the normal adjustment to Kindergarten (and my having gone back to work full-time), but I soon realized that it had a lot to do with the teacher, who I don't think should be working with children at all. I got some criticism *here* for disliking her, which still hurts. (There's another NYC blogger whose son went through the same cruelty and incompetence at her hands the next year, so I know it wasn't just me.) I still have a lot of hurt and anger toward her, especially in light of that article saying that a good Kindergarten teacher sets kids up for success, and resentment at the principal and administration who stonewalled us. My son is slowly, slowly coming out of his fear of teachers and school, thanks to two truly wonderful teachers, a kind and down-to-earth aide, and the miracle principal of his new school. But I don't think my son's ever going to see school as a fun nurturing place, like he did in preschool before we had that teacher who shouldn't be teaching. I don't know if I'll ever stop resenting that school for taking that away from us.

My younger son is starting Kindergarten at this same new school this year, and I have every reason to think that his teacher will be wonderful, based on the other teachers we've had at the school. And I know that the principal excels at conflict resolution, so even if there is a mismatch it'll be fixed. But I still feel a stomach clench when I think of Kindergarten. I am trying not to communicate that to him so that he can go in with a positive attitude. But I don't think I'll be able to relax until school's been in session for a few weeks, even if his teacher is the ur-Kindergarten teacher.

You?

Comments

[Stephanie]

@ML - I researched a presentation on this about 2 years ago, so my references are not up to the minute, but you can see the article by Cooper & Valentine "Using Research to Answer Practical Questions About Homework" (2001, Educational Psychologist, 36). In general, the benefits of homework increase as the students get older, like junior high and high school.

You may also interested in "The Hurried Child" by David Elkind.

[Kate]

My 5yo son has been in Montessori for almost 2 years, first pre-K, then K. This year, he'll be in public kindergarten half-days and continue Montessori 3 half-days. He tends to have trouble adjusting to new situations, so we figured this overlap would work well for him.

I'm ok with it so far, but assume I'll have a meltdown (minor, I hope) after we drop him off for his first day of public K.

We moved to this town because the schools are supposed to be All That, and the signs are pretty good. His new K teacher already called to make sure she had his name right on his cubby and paperwork and so on (his nickname is a little unusual), which I think speaks well for her.

I'll need to join the PTO for my own peace of mind, and I am sooooo not a joiner. I'll also be volunteering at both schools to help us all understand more.

So we'll see. I'm eager to read about everyone else's experiences.

[Tracy]

I am SOOOO blessed that we are able to homeschool. Reading these comments made me a bit sick to my stomach. My DD (who would be starting K this month) is a quiet, smart, shy girl. Here in Florida-- The Land of the All Powerful FCAT -- she would be left in the dust. Instead, she is reading at a 2nd grade level and still has time to play in the pool with her friends. I know not everyone has the opportunity to homeschool, but it is perfect for us.

[Ann]

What's up with the school supplies?
The list is a mile long. We have HIGH property taxes and they increased the sales tax to go to the schools and we have to furnish our own Kleenex? Seriously?

Here is the list for public school Kindergarten:
1 Book bag (big enough to zip a folder and other items inside)
1 Pair of over the ear headphones
2 boxes of 24 count Crayola crayons (No Rose Art please)
1 box of #2 pencils (pre sharpened)
40 glue sticks -- (I really hope this is a typo)
1 pair blunt tip Fiskar scissors
1 box classic color markers
2 reams white copy paper
1 box of facial tissues
1 bottle of Hand Sanitizer
1 set of water color paint
1 pink pearl eraser
1 bottle of Elmer’s glue
1 wrapped pack of colored construction paper (No pads of construction paper)
1 box plain band aids
1 pack of small white paper plates
1 pack of large white paper plates
1 bag of brown paper bags
1 bag of cotton balls
1 box of gallon Ziplocks
1 box of quart size Ziplocks
1 box of baby wipes
1 box of thick dry erase markers
1 box of thin dry erase markers

Seriously?

[meggiemoo]

@Ann, holy crap!

[Peanut'sMom]

"I wish we just all lived in little towns with little schools that would take care of us."

I live in a little town with a little school. Our little school has no foreign language education - starts in 7th grade. When I asked, "Why so late?" the Superintendent said, "We're all Americans - our kids don't *need* Spanish. They need (wood)shop."

Our little school is run by a mafia of Christian conservative PTO moms that bully the principal, have questioned my decision to work outside the home and the "meaning" of the bumper stickers on my car...

It isn't all good here in the heartland. Little towns with little schools don't hold any more promise of a good K (or educational) experience than big city/urban schools. There can be a lot of little minds in little towns.

[Ann]

I know there are lots of kids who can't afford any school supplies, and I am happy to help them. But Holy Crap is right!

[SarcastiCarrie]

@Ann - Ours wasn't quite that "all-encompassing" (and to my mind, that's about $70 worth of stuff), but our list was similar, especially with respect to name brands. We were told to buy Kleenex (not tissues, not Puffs, no lotion, please), Zilpoc bags (not Target zipper seal bags, and why?), pink pearl erasers (I'm not even sure what that is), Crayola crayons (no Rose Art), and Clorox wipes (not Lysol).

And what's with all the hating on Rose Art? I love Rose Art school supplies. I also am quite fond of Target zipper bags, Target disinfecting wipes, and Target tissues, so this name brand thing is kind of killing the frugal part of me.

[Charisse]

@Ann, be sure & check with your teacher whether all those supplies are actually needed - our school sent out a generic "what to have for school" list last fall and of course we bought it all...but it turned out we didn't need to bring any of it, the classroom was fully stocked.

[Brooke]

RoseArt crayons are pretty terrible. Waxy and not very brightly colored. Their markers and things are decent though.

And Kleenex are way, way better than any other tissues (says the allergy sufferer), but I don't know that it matters at school. Although I do get the no scented, no lotion request.

I do wonder if a lot of parents send in dollar store or the like brands of things which often aren't very good or are very small. Meijer brand zipper bags work well and are a lot cheaper, but I'm sure there are even cheaper brands of zipper bags that don't actually close. I would guess that it is easier to specify namebrand than to know what of each is acceptable.

We have a year before Kindergarten. I'm actually really looking forward to it.

[SarcastiCarrie]

Oh, we always had to supply our own tissue in grade school back when I was a kid, so the request to send in tissues doesn't concern me at all. I know my mom used to send me in with some tiny box like a purse pack because we didn't buy tissues so she probably had no idea what was standard (we just blew our noses on (clean, unused) toilet paper). I buy tissues for my house now, but when I go to her house, I still have to blow my nose on toilet paper.

[Stephanie]

@Ann - ...and a partridge in a pear tree!

[Stephanie]

@ Ann & others - I am curious - does each parent get charged with buying 40 of a particular thing? (ie. Ann has to buy 40 glue sticks, another family has to buy 40 boxes of kleenex? Is that how this works?)

I want to be mentally prepared 4-ish years from now!

[SarcastiCarrie]

Our school supply list actually said this:

Last names
A-H: One box Ziploc brand (no generic) sandwich size bags
I-R: One box Ziploc brand (no generic) quart sized storage bags
S-Z: One box Ziploc brand (no generic) gallon sized storage bags

So, I assume this will be communal and the children will share their zippered bags with one another for whatever things it is that they need these zippered bags.

[Ann]

This was the list for Kindergarten. Each K kid is to bring this complete list. And yes, it's all communal.

[Lizzie]

Regarding school supplies, a good friend who teaches told me that the list is so long because many parents just completely ignore it, and bring nothing. So basically the rest are picking up the slack! And I think they ask for brand names because too many people get the crap from the Dollar stores. Luckily have one more year to stress about K, and then I will be living overseas, so the choices will concern DOD Schools or home schooling.
Moxie, the same thing happened to a good friend in Michigan (at one of thoes fabulous small schools) where her daughter had a terrible teacher for first grade, and now in 5th grade, doesn't like or excel in school. It really can scar a child.

[hush]

@Peanut'sMom - "Little towns with little schools don't hold any more promise of a good K (or educational) experience than big city/urban schools." Totally! No where is utopia, unfortch. I hear you on the small town uber-Christian bullying thing. I keep my cards close and find it hard to be my authentic self because it is so threatening to the people here. Which sucks. I guess you take the good with the bad wherever you are. The good: I'm not worried about class size. The bad: No meaningful diversity, and no real intellectuals. If public schools are supposed to be laboratories of democracy, I sometimes wonder what my kids will be missing by not attending bigger, more urban ones.

@Ann - Double wow. How do working families afford all of it?

[Jacquie]

My son starts kindergarten in a week and a half. I was pretty calm about it until today when I got a letter from his school's food service department. Kindergarten students are given the option of participating in the meal plan, which I more or less knew, but I didn't know there were so many complexities to it all. Yikes.

As for the supply list, when I taught middle school in the city, I had a much more modest list, but I could count on one hand the number of kids (out of 140) who brought in the requested supplies. We were out of pencils and Kleenex by the end of September. So yes, while @Ann's list seems excessive, in response to @hush's question, I'd only add "How do working teachers afford it?"

[srb]

Thankfully, I have another year until my child starts kindergarten.

I am a teacher, but not a kindergarten teacher. One thing I think is hard about being a kindergarten teacher is that the PARENTS need so much support. A lot of times the kids take it better than the parents.

Also, I think kindergarten is generally quite nurturing. What's different from daycare or preschool, I think, is that it feels more like your child is on display. Parents start worrying whether their child is academically and socially falling behind or too far ahead. This happens from birth, but becomes public five days a week. Some of this is built into our school system, but so much of it is built into our imaginations.

[Colleen]

Our daughter's new Kindergarten teacher called to introduce herself yesterday. I thought it was a sweet gesture (Meet the Teacher is tomorrow night and school starts on Monday) until she said her name. This teacher is the very same one that a friend who's very involved with PTA told me that we wouldn't want. That's all she said (no details as to why we wouldn't want this teacher) but it terrified me.

I prayed all summer that we wouldn't get that teacher but, we did. Now I'm completely freaked out. Our daughter has had behavior issues in preschool that we've worked very hard (with outside assistance) to help her with. I'm so concerned that this teacher and "the system" will turn our girl off of school. She's bright and creative and fun and I do not want to see that sucked out of her.

There's nothing I can do but wait and see and hope things turn out better than I'm expecting. Pass the paper bag, ladies I'm hyperventilating over here!

[Mitch]

I am the other parent with that same incompetent Kindergarten teacher. Parents are scared, if they say anything, the teacher and admin will take it out on their child. My Principal reneged on a meeeting to discuss this teacher, she is so scared of the union. As with you, I was new to the system and did what I was told. 2 years later I will start fighting if they continue their bullying and lying, I am mad as hell and I can't take it anymore. They take advantage of new parents as part of their control issues.
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[TheLuckyGal]

OMG, everyone take a deep breath. It is possible to have a fine year in K. My DD had a wonderful K year in an "ok" public school in an "ok" district in a large US city. I didn't participate in the choice angst - I picked the school we could walk to despite the fact that it wasn't "rigorous" or "alternative" or hip or fashionable or a popular choice among my cohort. My DD put on her little uniform and marched into the playground everyday and had a ball (and was reading by October, learned her "math facts" and a bit of Mandarin). I helped out in the classroom and went on a few field trips. It was a great experience all around. (She even - horrors! - got school lunch nearly every day ... I loved that she had complete control over what she ate 5 X / week and she loved punching in her PIN and picking her fruit and veggies from the salad bar.)

We moved to Australia (Victoria) at the end of that summer and were in time for her to do a term of "Prep" (1st year of primary school, so, K equivalent). There was more play time, no homework, more critters in the classroom (mice! chicks! fish!), no academic pressure - it was more like my own K experience decades ago.

So, yes, the edu system in the US - compared to many other developed counties - is fucked up and crazy-making ... but, you don't necessarily have to participate in the crazy for your kids to have a decent year.

[Mogget]

Sorry in advance for the long post!

Oh, Kindergarten…The angst and worry and fear, and terror. And I’m just talking about my own feelings! My oldest, Q, started Kindergarten three weeks ago (we have “year round” school where I live, so they start the first week of August). Bottom line up front, he loves kindergarten, his teacher seems pretty great (so does the assistant), he is making friends, and so far it seems like a really great experience for him. I have been very careful to only say good things about school because I don’t want him to go in with any preconceived notions. I don’t want to make it any harder for him than it needs to be by putting my fears off on him.

A little background. I was home schooled until my senior year of high school. My dad was in the military so we moved around a lot. I did not have a great experience in my one year of “real” school, so school is a touchy subject for me. I also attended a very small private school, so I don’t know what The System is like, except that I know that my parents wanted to keep their kids out of it. I don’t have the experience of riding a bus, getting lunch in a cafeteria, learning alongside other kids, etc.

The things that I have found frustrating with my son’s Kindergarten experience is that I don’t see the teacher, I don’t get any adult feedback on how he is doing integrating into the classroom (my mom has always looked after my kids, or my DH has been laid off so he has been home with them so this is totally new for him), or how he is doing academically (he says he is in the “green group”, but what does that mean?!). I put a letter for his teachers in his school folder, and it came home with no acknowledgment from them. I realize that with 26 students in his class it is probably pretty difficult to answer every parent’s messages, but I really need to know how things are going from their point of view! He is not eating his lunch and that worries me. I pack his lunch because I figure if he doesn’t have to stand in line for lunch, he will have more time to actually eat (they get 20 minutes for lunch—at home he is a very slow eater so I knew this would be a problem for him). Of course, the first week he told me that he didn’t want my (carefully thought out for all his food issues) packed lunch, he wanted school lunch “because N says that they have pizza every day!”

Oh, and as @Ann mentioned, the supply list we were provided is ridiculous. I spent around $100.00 on supplies for Kindergarten (that doesn’t count clothing or lunch bags). I totally understand that teachers can’t provide all the necessary supplies on their income, but since my DH is now unemployed, I can’t really afford it all either. So, when one of my co-workers told me, “Oh, they can’t make you bring that stuff, I never have for either of my kids”. I saw red because then I understood why *I* had to provide all that stuff—because of parents like her, who can afford it, and still won’t provide the necessary items for their children to learn!! Grrr…

Thanks Moxie, this was just what I needed. So far this experience has not been as bad as I was afraid that it might be, it is just so overwhelming for me.

[Rayne of Terror]

Our school supply list isn't as shocking as Ann's but there were several difficult to find items. Six 4.5x6" cellulose cleaning sponges. No one carries sponges that large. The best I could do was 3 5/8 x 6 and they were SO expensive for sponges.

[SarcastiCarrie]

Well, I'm back from the first day. And everything went swimmingly. Chuckles went to school. It was another kid's birthday, so there were cookies. The school is not a nut-free zone, which is fine since none of the kids in the class have an allergy, so they were good cookies. They had ART today. One of the kids in his class has a paraprofessional working with him, so there is a second set of eyes and hands in the classroom. He took the bus home. The End.

Now, I will gladly pass my paper bag to the people whose kids start school on Monday (and I'll see you here again next year when he starts going all-day and bringing/buying lunch).

[Pippi]

Here they're making the transition to full-day K for everyone. My daughter will start when she's 4. A full day of Kindergarten at 4 years old. I'm a teacher. I've subbed all over the district we live in. I've been in classes with a lot of 4 year old Kindergarteners. Overall, they are not ready. We have two more years to decide what to do. Do I pull her out and homeschool for a year or two? If I do that then she'll miss getting into programs like French Immersion. But full day K, that gets more demanding and academic every year, for a 4 year old makes me shiver.

School supplies here are completely different. We just had a court case about it a couple years ago where it judged to be illegal to require school fees. Before each kid would bring in a check and the school would order the supplies. Now we're not allowed to ask. Of course, the school budgets haven't gone up to compensate for this...

[Sybil]

This is so timely! Today was my daughter's last day of kindergarten. She goes to a year-round school and will go back as a first grader in three weeks.

It was a rough year. Her school is tiny, loving, supportive, nurturing, every wonderful word you could ever assign to a school, that was it. And it was still rough. My daughter cried at drop off 90% of the time for about ten months straight. Sometimes it was just a little sniffle and a tear. Sometimes full-blown screaming and clinging to me.

The one thing that worked was to talk to a therapist who helped devise a plan for drop-off. We began doing the same routine every single day and while it didn't eliminate the tears, it helped a great deal with the stress.

So that's my biggest piece of advice. Develop a routine at drop-off and stick to it.

It's such a year of change. I don't really know how anyone gets through it without a feel battle scars, for better or worse!

[srb]

Colleen-- luckily, different personalities mix in different ways. A teacher who wasn't the right fit for a friend's child might end up being the perfect fit for your child. I hope that's the case!

I think the reason people get upset to hear a specific teacher being bashed is because of comments like Mitch's. Suddenly the principal and the whole union have control issues. If you could handle the problem without demonizing the whole profession that would be nice.

[Dawn]

My daughter went to kindergarten at her preschool, so we're going through the starting at the big school anxiety about first grade. We're lucky - we live in a well funded suburban/exurban district and she'll go to a nice, new school that's about 10 minutes from our house, although she'll get the bus about 35 minutes before school starts. We are still waiting for our teacher assignment and supply list, and she is wondering if any of the three kids from her kindergarten class that are headed to the same school will be in her class. I haven't had the heart to tell her that it isn't likely, since there are 5 or 6 first grade classes at her school. It's going to be a big change, going from 14 kids in her class to 25, and from her preschool to an elementary school with 650 kids!

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that everything will go well and if it doesn't, we'll figure out what to do next.

And then the following week, my two year old starts preschool one day per week. Yikes.

[maria]

My dd starts first grade in 4 days. "Our" Kindergarten experience worked out really well, but most people would not be able to replicate it. I wanted to homeschool, so we did that and she went to a *very* nurturing, small, wonderful, 3 day/week morning program (basically preschool, but with a few K-age kids). Academics is not a problem for her, so I did not stress very much about making sure she was mastering Kindergarten skills (alphabet, etc) because she already had. Her emotional development was (and still is) more delayed.

About 3/4 of the way through the year, I started thinking about 1st grade options along with all the other parents her friends. She didn't love homeschooling, so I was open to school options. I looked at a fabulous, tiny, private (though not the expensive kind) school 5 minutes from our house, and they offered to have her start right away – in March of her K year.

It was absolutely the best possible thing for us - she was NOT ready in September, but by March she was 6, she had gone through a huge developmental spurt around Christmas, and the wonderful little morning program wasn't enough for her anymore. She adapted quickly to the new school, and starting when she did gave her a chance to get used to the new routine and catch up socially/emotionally a little before starting 1st grade. The school has mixed-age classrooms, so she'll have the same teacher as last year.

She is dying to have homework. They didn't have it last year, and I don't believe they will in 1st grade either. I do get stressed and overwhelmed by the demands on me – lunches, volunteering, school events, etc. but I suppose it's better than not being involved.

[E]

My youngest child starts kindergarten next week. With my oldest, I was excited! We had chosen to enroll him in a charter school that ended up being a poor fit and he switched to our public school after the first quarter. But even when our second child started, because we knew the school and the teachers and he was so excited to be going, I was excited all over again. Now with the third I feel a bit nostalgic over the last one entering elementary, but he will be in school with his brothers and we do love the school. I am looking forward to his first day too! It does help that our kindergarten has no homework. Because I am *not* excited about that kicking back in for the older two. Homework sucks.

[AmyinMotown]

If anyone is still reading at this point --don't worry, at least before you have good reason to! My daughter's kindergarten teacher was wooonnnnddderrful. Her experience was much, much better than she'd had at her Montessori preschool. The other kids are so much nicer (we just had a playdate with the girls in her class last night and I was just smiling to see them all get along so nicely). She just thrived--and she was even a little young and I got a lot of crap from people about not holding her back (her birthday is ONE DAY past the cutoff date in our state). Our only issue was that she (and I, for that matter) had horrible separation anxiety. Her teacher handled it very kindly, as did the kids in her class. Her school goes up to seventh grade and those kids were so nice to her, too, always being really comforting and sweet in the morning. After the initial adjustment was done and she was still crying in the morning (only to be happy as a clam during the day --I asked a kid who was volunteering there to spy on her and report back to my friend who was supervising her, and his report was this: "Is that the girl that's always laughing?") we finally set up a reward system for every day she managed not to cry. She was just getting so anxious about falling apart that it made her fall apart, and needed a little boost to be her usual confident self.

In short --I loved being a kindergarten mom! Loved it. And my daughter loved it too.

[Amy Williamson]

My son started full day kindergarten this week. He has always been easy to leave in preschool/daycare. This has been much harder. More emotionally charged for both of us than I ever expected. He says he has fun when I pick him up and that he likes it. But, he doesn't want to go in the morning. To the point of tears which is really not his normal behavior. I'm scared he will have a bad educational foundation. He is having nightmares, and cried when I wasn't home to tuck him in on Tuesday. This is really not normal for him. The teacher seems nice. It would be nice if she was a little more nurturing touch feelie but she seems good. This is certainly different than preschool. Like my son is now developing his own personal life.
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[Ginger]

My nephew's kindergarten teacher used humiliation to keep him in line. She too didn't like active children, which pretty much meant she didn't like boys. He also lost his love of school and had a miserable year.

This year, his younger brother enters kindergarten. My sister asked the principal to put him with any other teacher but that one. The principal stated that parents are not allowed to choose which class their child is enrolled in. She fretted about what to do if he got that awful teacher, but luckily, he was assigned to a different one. But she still feels tons of anxiety about sending her baby off to kindergarten.

I have a 3 month old and I know I'll have the kindergarten anxiety. Speaking from my own experience, really good teachers and really bad teachers can have a huge impact on a child. Kindergarten is too young to learn how to deal with bad things and awful authority figures who relish in humiliating others.

I wish we had a yelp.com-type review for teachers. We need a place where parents and children can leave feedback about their teachers. Then, no longer will bad teachers be protected by the System or by the unions. Sure, some reviews will be unfair, but I think most of us are judicious enough to know which reviews to give weight to.

As it is, now I'm going to have to find a way to ask parents for their opinions about the teachers my daughter is assigned to - at least for the first few years. As the experiences posted here attest to, these first years of school are so important and make such a lasting impression on children. Thank-you for sharing your stories.

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