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LPV

I'm not an archivist, but a computer scientist. I just wanted to comment on choosing a format to store data in. It might be worthwile to chose to save your data in an "open format": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_format because these tend to last longer than formats that are connected to a particular tool. For example, if you have important text information to store, you might not want to trust that Microsoft keep their ".doc" document format for Word consistent in years to come. Therefore it would make sense to convert your files either to plain text, if the files contain only text, or pdf if the files contain images/important formatting as well. That way, you will be able to open you files with a great many more different programs and the format is likely to stay more consistent in the future. I'm not saying the the ".doc" document format is likely to change, this is just an example :)

songbird

Another note about formats from another computer scientist. There's safety in numbers. The widespread use of the .doc, .mp3, or .jpg means that appropriate conversions will exist when you need them to exist. It might not be fun (or free) to open every document and "save as" the Format of the Future, but it will be possible, even though .doc and .mp3 are not open formats. Also, open formats are more useful when big companies get behind them. The OpenOffice XML format has been, up to now, pretty useless. But now that Micro$oft is switching their standard to it (according to latest rumors), it will be much more widely supported. The ogg vorbis music format is superior to mp3, but because iPods don't play them, they are not useful to most people.

Cecily T

Here's my question about this, like LPV says, you have to watch the format, but along with that, there's the metadata that comes with stuff like images. Yes, I'm a computer geek. Lots of programs can categorize images (Adobe Album, Microsoft's Photo software, Picasa) or tag them like Flickr. How do you hold on to the metadata, which DOES make it possible to search for "Uncle Matt" in images if you've taken the time to tag them?

Eva

Thanks for this!

My husband (who cares deeply about this topic) had this to say in comment:

Mostly good, but has some points that people keep repeating which simply don't hold.

If you have a lot of files on a format becoming obsolete (e.g. the zip disk) you'd be a fool not to convert it over when it's becoming clear that the demise is near. Even so, there are services that'll read just about anything from the old days for a fee.

As for file formats changing and becoming inaccessible, it's virtually an urban legend. For some reason people keep bringing up the 1980s (or so) .PICT format that Macs used as an example of something that "can't be read". Guess what--Photoshop out of the box reads it just fine, as do a dozen other image editing programs.

We're using the Amazon S3 service for backups; they're not going anywhere anytime soon. Also, since it's for backups we still have our local files (on two harddrives) should the need for putting the files elsewhere arise.

pennifer

Is it just me, or is Ask Moxie's format a bit wonky right now? When I go to the home link, I get only the page's template, no content. Yesterday when I visited the site, the content was all here, but only by scrolling down down down down past the template. Firefox just did an update, so maybe it's that...

Simone

Nope, Moxie's site looks just fine to me, but then again I don't use Firefox.

Thanks, Alison. This is great information to consider. I'm currently in "save everything" mode, which at some point I may want to change. But, at least I am saving multiple places (everything on my computer's hard drive, plus I back up onto an external hard drive every night, all photos go on CD, plus I have them saved on Costco's site).

inki

This is great information, thanks for taking the time to put it together and explaining the issues and options so clearly!

@pennifer: I've had that happen with Firefox too on a couple of occasions (not just Moxie, but other sites too), and restarting Firefox has fixed it for me in the past.

Alison the Archivist

@Cecily T: Ah, yes, the metadata issue. What will become of all of our tagging? For those of you who may be less computer-inclined, "metadata" is the information that both humans and computers attach to digital files in order to describe and/or identify them.

If you do plan to spend a lot of time attaching labels/tags/metadata to your images, you might want to take the time to choose a program or service that allows you to export that information into a common format (the most common would probably be .txt). Then, should you need to switch software packages or services in the future, you'll have a good chance of being able to import that information into your new solution. You can also look into embedding your metadata right into the image itself, although this has another set of preservation issues.

@Eva: I’m glad to hear that your husband is happy with Amazon S3’s terms of service, and am also pleased to hear that you guys are also saving multiple local copies of your data. You’re very lucky to have such a technical family!

That said, I’m not sure I’d call people “fools” for not migrating away from technologies that are becoming obsolete. Sometimes, time just gets away from us and we haven’t had a chance to put a system in place to maintain our data. To be sure, this might end up coming back to haunt us, but many people have a lot on their plate and data storage just isn’t always that high on the list.

I think it will also be nice to see the day when the average family doesn’t have to rely on paying other people to get a hold of their own information. I am of the firm belief that, with a little foresight, every family can not only maintain a backup copy of their digital files, but also a more carefully guarded digital archives, even if they are not so fortunate to have someone around like Eva’s husband.

TheMacMommy

I've just started researching this but I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions on how to preserve or archive a blog? I mean the whole thing? Is there some kind of service that might convert it into a book for you or a way you could archive the text? I was thinking of just printing PDF files of the pages and making it into a book that way. Would that work? Anyone done this?

I wish my grandmothers or mother would have kept journals like we bloggers do today. Maybe my kids and grandkids will feel differently but I would love to be able to read journals if they wrote them. There are letters from war times here and there but the handwriting is so hard to read and the paper or course is aging. I wonder how our blogs written for our kids will be 'delivered' to them in the future.

I feel like Michael J. Fox all of the sudden! :)

Archivist Alison

@TheMacMommy: Printing out information is often a good thing, but let me ask...Do you link to many external sites? How much of the information on your blog do *you* actually control? Otherwise stated, does your blog still make sense when decontextualized from the Internet?

If not, figure out what your blog will look like and will accomplish in whatever physical form you choose and decide if you are OK with creating that type of surrogate for what you have done online...because that is what you will have: a different thing from your blog, but perhaps a wonderful thing in its own right.

And, you may wish to consider the fact that future generations may not have the same attachment to physical objects that you do. Printing out your blog *means* something and changes it fundamentally. This new thing definitely won't have the same qualities to you as it will to your grandchildren. This has always been the case, though, even with physical stuff.

In the end, I guess what I'm saying is that you may not be able to save your blog in the same way that your grandmother's diaries might have been saved. That doesn't mean you can't pass this wonderful resource down, though. You just won't be able to do it in the same way.

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Great information for digital storage, thanks for writing this for us to be informed too.

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